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		<title>Starting ice climbing &#8211; to get started and essential gear</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you consider starting ice climbing? Do you wonder what kind of gear you should get and how much does it cost? Well, this post is for those of you who do. Though, ice climbing is being placed in to extreme end of extreme sports, in some circles, even more so than rock climbing, it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you consider starting ice climbing? Do you wonder what kind of gear you should get and how much does it cost? Well, this post is for those of you who do.</p>
<p>Though, ice climbing is being placed in to extreme end of extreme sports, in some circles, even more so than rock climbing, it doesn&#8217;t have to be so extreme. It&#8217;s very much like in any other climbing activity. Extremeness depends on how do you do it and what kind of risks you&#8217;re willing to accept. If you use just top rope, use eye protection (large portion of serious ice climbing injuries are eye injuries), be very careful while selecting, approaching and building belay anchors, ice climbing is very safe. This being said, again like any outdoor climbing sport, ice climbing certainly poses a risk of death or serious injury.</p>
<p>So, how to get started then? First of all, you need to get basic knowledge about climbing. In essence this includes belaying and figure-eight-loop-type of knots. Once you know the basics, you should either take ice climbing class or find someone who has some ice climbing experience and can teach you the basics of ice. If you haven&#8217;t been climbing directly with training qualified ice climber, I would recommend taking few classes anyways. It&#8217;s just so much easier and safer after you have. Here in Finland for instance some climbing associations, like mine (<a title="Climbing association of Oulu web site" href="http://www.climbing.fi/oks91">OKS91</a>) arranges very affordable classes (about 50-70€ / head, including equipment). I would imagine that the situation isn&#8217;t so different in other parts of the world.</p>
<p>Another frequent comment about ice climbing is the cost of the ice climbing equipment. It&#8217;s true that equipment is fairly expensive, especially if you&#8217;re buying full, lead climb, capable set alone. Some climbing associations, like mine (<a title="Climbing association of Oulu web site" href="http://www.climbing.fi/oks91">OKS91</a>), rent equipment, which is very easy and cost-effective way to start with. In our case rental price is just about 10-20€/day. From this perspective ice climbing is actually cheaper than for instance say skiing, where lift tickets are fairly expensive.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re getting in to sport deeper, you&#8217;ll probably end up buying set of equipment. Below is my suggestion of what to buy in each phase of your ice climbing career and rough estimate about price of each piece listed. In addition to listed items you need normal winter sports clothing + hiking / backpacking gear. Please note also that this is not necessarily complete list and reflects heavily my preferences. There are plenty of other good products and brands out there as well as plenty of unnecessary stuff. Many climbers also create their own accessories.</p>
<p><strong>Phase 1 &#8211; absolutely needed (i.e. typically not available for rental):</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>50-70m of try treated single rope, for instance <a title="Beal climbing ropes" href="http://www.bealplanet.com/portail-2006/index.php?page=cordes_escalade&amp;lang=us">Beal, Joker 9,1 mm x 60 m, Golden DRY</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 100-150€</li>
<li>2 long slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 120 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 10-15€/each</li>
<li>2 medium slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 60 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 7-12€/each</li>
<li>60cm of 7mm prusik rope &#8211;&gt; 2-5€</li>
<li>1 Backpack, anything will do, if you&#8217;d like to get a really good try for instance <a title="Grivel Alpine 55 + 15 backpack" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_zaini.asp?ID=20">Grivel Alpine 55 + 15 </a>(smaller ones are good as well, but if you&#8217;ll buy larger, it will accommodate ropes and other gear you will need at multi pitch routes later on) &#8211;&gt; 120-150€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 256-359€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 2 &#8211; climbing basics:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>1 harness, <a title="Petzl Corax harness" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=160">Petzl Corax</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 50-70€</li>
<li>1 Helmet with visor, <a title="Petzl Elios Vizion" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=108">Petzl Elios Vizion</a> is a good choice, some times the helmet and visor is being sold separately &#8211;&gt; 70-110€</li>
<li>1 Belay device, <a title="Petzl Reverso3" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=653">Petzl Reverso3</a> is a good multipurpose choice &#8211;&gt; 30-35€</li>
<li>1 large locking carabiner, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl William carabiner" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=581">Petzl Williams</a> (though you should select screw gate instead of ball-lock since ball-locks tend to freeze, I don&#8217;t have experience on their triact version) &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>2 regular or small locking carabiners, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Positron screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/positron_screw.php">Black Diamond Positron screwgates</a>, though if you&#8217;d like light, you should turn in to <a title="Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/NeonScrewgate/">Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-12€/each</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 174-254€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 3 &#8211; ice climbing basics:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Mountaineering boots, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Boreal web site" href="http://www.e-boreal.com/ing/comienzo.htm">Boreal</a> G1&#8242;s, but if you&#8217;re not going on high mountains, you might consider something lighter &#8211;&gt; 270-370€</li>
<li>Crampons, <a title="Grivel - Rambo 4" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_ramponi.asp?ID=15">Girvel Rambo 4</a> is a very good choice, which incorporates double point stability in to benefits of monopoint &#8211;&gt; 120-170€</li>
<li>Crampon pouch, <a title="Grivel crampon accessories" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/tabella_ramponi_news.asp">Grivel crampon bag</a> has served me just fine &#8211;&gt; 10-15€</li>
<li>Ice axes, I would choose now <a title="Grivel Xmonster axes" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_piccozze.asp?ID=21">Grivel Xmonster axes</a>, though beginers might consider also axes with leashes &#8211;&gt; 160-240€/pair</li>
<li>A good headlamp, <a title="Petzl Tikka XP headlamp" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesProduits?Produit=555">Petzl Tikka XP</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 40-60€</li>
<li>Gaiters, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond GTX front point gaiters" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/gtx_frontpoint.php">Black Diamond GTX front point gaiters</a> &#8211;&gt;60-80€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 660-935€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 4 &#8211; practicing lead climbs and anchors:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>5 standard length (19cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>2 short slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 120 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 5-7€/each</li>
<li>1 long sling, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 30 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 10-15€/each</li>
<li>5 quick draws, <a title="Wild Country Helium quickdraws and carabiners" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/Helium/">Wild Country Helium</a> quickdraws are most likely the best at the moment &#8211;&gt; 70-100€/set of 5</li>
<li>1 large locking carabiner, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl William carabiner" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=581">Petzl Williams</a> (though you should select screw gate instead of ball-lock since ball-locks tend to freeze, I don&#8217;t have experience on their triact version) &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>2 small or medium sized carabiners, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Positron screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/positron_screw.php">Black Diamond Positron screwgates</a>, though if you&#8217;d like light, you should turn in to <a title="Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/NeonScrewgate/">Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-12€/each</li>
<li>2 screw clippers, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl Caritool" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=489">Petzl Caritools</a> &#8211;&gt; 5-7€/each</li>
<li>1 climbing gloves, <a title="Black Diamond Enforcer gloves" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/enforcer.php">Black Diamond Enforcers</a> should be a good choice &#8211;&gt; 120-180€</li>
<li>1 Fifi hook, use for instance <a title="Black Diamond fifi hook" href="http://www.bdel.com/gear/fifi_hook.php">Black Diamond fifi hook</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>1m of 7mm prusik rope &#8211;&gt; 3-6€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 505€-683€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 5 &#8211; lead climbs:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3 standard length (19cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>2 short (13cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>5 quick draws, <a title="Wild Country Helium quickdraws and carabiners" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/Helium/">Wild Country Helium</a> quickdraws are most likely the best at the moment &#8211;&gt; 70-100€/set of 5</li>
<li>Set of half ropes, preferably in different colours so that you can distinguish left from right, <a title="Beal climbing ropes" href="http://www.bealplanet.com/portail-2006/index.php?page=cordes_escalade&amp;lang=us">Beal Ice Line</a> half ropes are just fine &#8211;&gt; 130-160€/each</li>
<li>1 First aid kit &#8211;&gt; 20-60€</li>
<li>A large down jacket, <a title="Millet Expert down jacket" href="http://www.milletusa.com/catalogue/expert-down-jkt-p-87.html?typo_prod=1:us&amp;temp=1&amp;cPath=1_4_10_14">Millet Expert down jacket</a> is a good choice, select a large size, so that you can wear it on top of everything else while belaying &#8211;&gt; 230-300€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 830-1080€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 6 &#8211; multi-pitch routes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Few pitons &#8211;&gt; 5-15€/each</li>
<li>Few nuts / hexes &#8211;&gt; 8-15€/each</li>
<li>Set of walky-talkies &#8211;&gt; 50-150€</li>
<li>Small climbing backpack, <a title="Grivel Manu backpack" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_zaini.asp?ID=9">Grivel Manu</a> is my favourite &#8211;&gt; 40-60€</li>
<li>10m of 7mm prusik rope, cut and tied in to long prusik loops &#8211;&gt; 7-15€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 162-375€</p>
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		<title>Climbing in extreme cold conditions</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>juho</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Saturday was modest, just about -25, but on Sunday it got colder. The lowest figure we had was -29.5 (measured on our car's thermometer few kilometers away from the spot), it were most likely even colder down on the bottom of Korouoma canyon. As many of you may know cold makes climbing difficult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just last weekend I was climbing with my friend Jari at Korouoma. To clarify a bit, Korouoma is our best climbing spot in Finland (which is still pretty modest compared to for instance average Norwegian spots, just 30-60 meters climbs). This time conditions were a bit different than usual. The thermometer went down to -30 degrees in Celsius, which is coldest, I believe, I&#8217;ve climbed so far. Luckily we had a luxury to stay in a cottage instead of tent. Cottage means dry cloths, dry clothes means warmth. Warmth means everything. :-)</p>
<p>Saturday was modest, just about -25, but on Sunday it got colder. The lowest figure we had was -29.5 (measured on our car&#8217;s thermometer few kilometers away from the spot), it were most likely even colder down on the bottom of Korouoma canyon.</p>
<p>As many of you may know cold makes climbing difficult in several ways. First of all ice is very hard and it carks really easily. As a result screws tend to fracture ice while screwing, screwing requires more strength, large chunks of ice will detach frequently due to use of ice tools, which posses danger not only climber himself, but anyone below as well, and it requires more skill to build secure belay anchors on the wall etc. Second, cold means freezing, freezing fingers and feats, fingers feeling numb and all the pain related having frozen limbs. In other words one better stay warm.</p>
<p><strong>Few tips for climbing in cold:</strong></p>
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<li>Use only sharp screws. The ones that have seen some stone may bite reasonably well on warmer ice, but will just fracture the cold ice making the placement of ice protection almost impossible.</li>
<li>An extra large down jacket is a absolute must, even though I had one (+one layer of fleece, two layers of merino wool +extra warm climbing boots) I were having hard time to keep myself warm.</li>
<li>I would think that a soft shell would do much better than Gore-Tex as an out most layer. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t have one and can&#8217;t give you a real firsthand experience about it. In theory besides being warmer, soft shell doesn&#8217;t have the freezing problem related to Gore-Tex. In other words if temperature is below -20 to -25 Gore-Tex pores freeze and doesn&#8217;t let vaporized water out as they should, thus resulting a small internal snow rain inside your jacket.</li>
<li>Use eye protection, cold ice results plenty of small razor sharp ice bits that poses serious danger to your eye sight.</li>
<li>Chemical <a title="Article about N-rit heat pads" href="http://www.climbingextreme.com/?p=18">heat pads</a> were a real life saver in a glove while climbing the first 20 meters until you&#8217;ve really warmed up.</li>
<li>Make a good warm up before starting to climb. Swing your hands; take a short walk to uphill etc.</li>
<li>Have a good thermos filled with extra hot (and sweet &#8211; plenty of energy) drink and remember to eat enough to ensure that your body has the energy not just for climbing but to keep you warm &#8211; heating takes more energy in cold conditions.</li>
<li>Where possible and in case you don&#8217;t absolutely want to lead climb, you might consider setting a permanent belay position on higher ground and do belaying at the top of the fall, as it is much warmer there than at the bottom of the canyon.</li>
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<p>The positive side on cold conditions is the fact that you don&#8217;t usually need to worry about staying dry. Water floats less and tends to freeze directly on top of your clothes. As an extra plus you don&#8217;t sweat that much either, which again means drier feel.</p>
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