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		<title>Different kinds of carabiners</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[During the time I&#8217;ve been climbing, I&#8217;ve bumped into many kinds of carabiners and quickdraws. I have gradually built a certain view on them, especially what comes to ice climbing. As a result, while waiting for the next season and upcoming Outdoor Show, I thought to write down my thoughts about them + my experiences [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the time I&#8217;ve been climbing, I&#8217;ve bumped into many kinds of carabiners and quickdraws. I have gradually built a certain view on them, especially what comes to ice climbing. As a result, while waiting for the next season and upcoming Outdoor Show, I thought to write down my thoughts about them + my experiences on carabiners and quickdraws that belong to my &#8220;standard&#8221; rack.</p>
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<small>Picture above: There they are, my standard rack carabiners and quickdraws.<br />
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<p><strong>What&#8217;s important:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Clearclip nose &#8211; It makes it just that much easier to grab it from your harness, as well as clip off whether it&#8217;s screw, rope or webbing. Right now there&#8217;s a wide selection of light clearclip carabiners available. There&#8217;s just no reason to get anything else.</li>
<li>Weight &#8211; Weight reflects directly to everything you do. In carabiners, especially what comes to carabiners used in quickdraws, it adds up fast. It&#8217;s not perhaps a reason to replace your old carabiners, but when ever you buy new ones, you should get light ones.</li>
<li>No auto-locking mechanisms &#8211; Auto-locking mechanisms tend to freeze up and generate a great deal of difficulties. I&#8217;ve been in a situation where my Petzl william ball lock froze up to the point that I had to spend about 30 minutes to get it open. I&#8217;m not planning to get to such situation again.</li>
<li>Smooth and acurate gate operation &#8211; It&#8217;s important while clipping, also note that if it&#8217;s locking carabiner, the screw operation should be smooth. Often the &#8220;smoothness&#8221; translates to quality and quality affects overall durability and safety of your gear.</li>
</ul>
<p>People, especially ones that do plenty of rock climbing, talk about durability too. In my opinion it&#8217;s not as much of an issue on ice, as there&#8217;s lot less dirt &#8211; thus carabiners do not wear down as much. I actually have different set of carabiners for ice, indoor and rock climbing exactly for this reason. Well, as ice climbing is my primary sport, my rock and gym carabiners are mostly ones I&#8217;ve purchased for ice climbing&#8230; even the auto-lockers which I purchased before I knew their freezing problems. <img src='http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>Quickdraws and carabiners on my standard ice rack</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3x <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screw Gate in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=2601&amp;name=Black%20Diamond%20%20Positron%20Screwgate">Black Diamond Positron Screw Gate</a> <em>(weight 56g)</em> &#8211; I use these for building anchors. While a bit old already, they&#8217;re pretty light and proven to be reliable good quality pieces of equipment.</li>
<li>3x <a title="Petzl Attache 3D in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4478&amp;name=Petzl%20%20Attache%203D">Petzl Attache 3D</a> <em>(weight 55g)</em> &#8211; My newer set of anchor building carabiners. Slightly larger but still lighter than Positrons. Good grip on locking screw.</li>
<li>1x <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4481&amp;name=Mammut%20Bionic%20Mytholito">Mammut Bionic Mytholito</a> <em>(weight 58g)</em> &#8211; My belay carabiner. Slightly hevier than Attache, but I like having different kinds of carabiners for different purposes. As anchor building carabiners get in touch with protection and tend to develop sharp edges it&#8217;s good idea to keep them away from belay loop. The locking screw is slightly slippery, but other vice good quality.</li>
<li>1x <a title="Mammut Bionic HMS in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=9710&amp;name=Mammut%20Bionic%20HMS">Mammut Bionic HMS</a> (weight 72g) &#8211; My large anchor building carabiner; the one I tie clove hitches and use for organizing stuff. Attache is kind of large enough, but this one is larger.The locking screw is slightly slippery, but other vice good quality.</li>
<li>2x <a title="Petzl Ange in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4337&amp;name=Petzl%20%20Ange">Petzl Ange S</a> (weight 28g) &#8211; Couple of extra carabiners for general purpose clipping, can use them for extendable draw or clipping things like bottles and cameras where ever I need to. Some people consider these too small, but I haven&#8217;t had any problems with them. They&#8217;re really light and clipping feel is excellent.</li>
<li>1x <a title="Austrialpin Easy Classic in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=9713&amp;name=Austrialpin%20Easy%20Classic">Austrialpin Easy Classic</a> (weight 48g) &#8211; I use it in the fixed cow&#8217;s tail I have in my harness, which I occasionally clip to my ice tool. While not the lightest, it provides good grip and clip on and off are surprisingly easy.</li>
<li>5x Modified <a title="Wild Country Helium Quickdraw in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=3853&amp;name=Wild%20Country%20%20Helium%20Quickdraw">Wild Country Helium Quickdraw</a> <em>(weight 70-74g)</em> &#8211; Newer half of my quickdraws. I replaced the original dogbone with <a title="Edelrid Dyneema Quickdraw Sling 8mm in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=5811&amp;name=Edelrid%20Sports%20Dyneema%20Quickdraw%20Slings%208%20mm">Edelrid 8mm dogbone</a>, because the rubber carabiner holder in original ones just couldn&#8217;t take low temperatures. Besides Edelrid dogbones are slightly lighter. Besides the dogbone problem Heliums are excellent quick draws.</li>
<li>5x <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=2272&amp;name=Black%20Diamond%20%20Positron%20Quickdraw">Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw</a> <em>(weight 105g)</em> &#8211; My old set of quickdraws. While a bit heavy, they&#8217;ve served me well. Clipping is okay and the rubber thingy that keeps the carabiner in place is durable.</li>
<li>2x Custom made Quickdraw, <a title="Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4332&amp;name=Mammut%20Bionic%20Wire%20Safe%20Gate">Mammut Bionic Wiresafe Gate</a> (rope end), <a title="Edelrid Dyneema Quickdraw Sling 8mm in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=5811&amp;name=Edelrid%20Sports%20Dyneema%20Quickdraw%20Slings%208%20mm">Edelrid 8mm dogbone</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4337&amp;name=Petzl%20%20Ange">Petzl Ange S</a> (protection end) <em>(weight 65g)</em> &#8211; I eneded up doing couple of these funky looking light quickdraws after I had a few extra carabiners, which I had acquired while in search and testing the best clear clip carabiner. While I like the shape of the Bionic Wire Safe gates, they&#8217;re a bit heavier than <a title="Wild Country Helium at tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4327&amp;name=Wild%20Country%20%20Helium">Wildcountry Heliums</a>. Other vice Mammut Wiresafe Gate carabiners are equally good as other good quality light clear clip carabiners. And yes, that&#8217;s lighter than any in-stock quickdraw with full sized carabiner on rope end.</li>
<li>1x Custom made shock absorbing Quickdraw, <a title="DMM Shield in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4328&amp;name=DMM%20Climbing%20%20Shield">DMM Shield</a> Carabiners, <a title="E-climb Dissip in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4398&amp;name=E-climb%20%20dissip">E-Climb Dissip</a> shock absorbing sling <em>(weight 116g)</em> &#8211; Pretty much the same story as above, just that I ended up using the DMM shields on shock absorber. DMM Shield works and feels pretty much like Mammut Wiresafe Gates, which according to some sources are actually manufactured by DMM.</li>
</ul>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m relaying almost always to &#8220;ready made&#8221; quickdraws. This being said, many of my friends have recommended that I should replace a few of my quickdraws with extendable slings. Second odd thing is that I have many quickdraws. Part of the explanation is the fact that we climb using long 70m ropes, but other part is the fact that I like having a few extra quickdraws just in case. Which of course mitigates, in certain extent, the weight savings from light stuff. <img src='http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Well, depending on route quite often I&#8217;ll leave a few Positron Quickdaws to the ground.</p>
<p><strong>Other carabiners I currently have</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3x <a title="Kong HMS Classic in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=5277&amp;name=KONG%20%20H.M.S%20Classic">Kong HMS Classic</a> (weight 86g) &#8211; My old anchor building carabiner set. While these are quite heavy compared to the lightest modern carabiners they offer clear clip nose and good build quality.</li>
<li>3x <a title="Petzl William in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=3978&amp;name=Petzl%20%20William">Petzl William</a> Ball Lock (weight 94g) &#8211; Carabiners that I use mainly in indoor climbing and ocassionally in rock. They&#8217;re large and easy to handle, but pretty heavy. The quality is good though and the locking mechanism is excellent for indoor climbing.</li>
<li>2x <a title="Petzl William in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=3978&amp;name=Petzl%20%20William">Petzl William</a> Screw Gate (weight 90g) &#8211; My backup belay carabiners. Quite often they still get carried to the bottom of the fall, but used mostly on indoor walls and on rock. Good quality, but heavy. The size makes it easy for organizing things.</li>
<li>1x Old Austrialpin &#8211; I used to have more of these, but they&#8217;ve gotten lost during the years. Due to the fact that it has the nose, I hardly ever use them anymore. On some top roping anchors, when putting up several of them and running out of other type of carabiners perhaps. I would definitely instruct people to stay away of nosed carabiners with the exception of very light carabiners cliped to the rope.</li>
<li>1x G<a title="Grivel Gamma K2W in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=5443&amp;name=Grivel%20Gamma%20K2W">rivel Gamma K2W</a> &#8211; Came with <a title="Grivel Speedy in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4737&amp;name=Grivel%20%20Speedy">Speedy ice screw</a>. It&#8217;s good quality and it&#8217;s not unreasonably heavy, but has a nose. It&#8217;s not a huge issue as it&#8217;s rope end carabiner, but still prefer clear clips also as rope end carabiners.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Carabiners I consider best of the class right now</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Small non-locker &#8211; <a title="Petzl Ange S in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4337&amp;name=Petzl%20%20Ange">Petzl Ange S</a>; it&#8217;s the lightest clear clip nosed carabiner, overall a good quality and pretty easy clipping.</li>
<li>Full sized non-locker &#8211; <a title="Wild Country Helium in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4327&amp;name=Wild%20Country%20%20Helium">Wildcountry Helium</a>; it&#8217;s the lightest full sized clear clip nosed carabiner, besides the clipping feel is great and gate opening good.</li>
<li>Small locker -<a title="DMM Phantom Screw Gate" href="http://www.tribevine.com/product?p=4488&amp;name=DMM%20Climbing%20Phantom%20Screwgate"> DMM Phantom Screwgate</a>; it&#8217;s either lightest or one of the lightest screw gate carabiners out there. DMM is known for its quality, so a good choice. My next anchor building carabiners are probably going to be these.</li>
</ul>
<p>I kind of thought to list also best of class full sized and large sized carabiners, but then decided that I haven&#8217;t researched them enough to make up a well founded opinion.</p>
<p><strong>Carabiner comparisons</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a title="Light non-locking clear clip carabiners" href="http://www.tribevine.com/products?open=true&amp;ids=4332,4337,5035,6419,4327,4328,7676,5136,9713,5443&amp;title=Non-Locking">Light non-lockin clear clip carabiners and the ones mentioned in this article</a></li>
<li><a title="Light locking carabiners in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/products?open=true&amp;ids=4488,5752,4496,5056,4492,2460,5062,5364,4478,5033,4490,4386,4254,7676,5136,4494,3978,5277,9710,4481&amp;title=Locking">Light locking carabiners and the ones mentioned in this article</a></li>
<li><a title="Light Quickdraws in tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/products?open=true&amp;ids=4399,5691,5031,6420,3853,2272&amp;title=Quickdraws">Light clear clip quickdraws and the ones mentioned in this article</a></li>
</ul>
<p><strong>The web-stores that sell these things:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>Austrialpin Easy Classic &#8211; <a title="Austrialpin Easy Classic at Mountainshop" href="http://www.mountainshop.fi/kauppa/product_info.php?products_id=627">Mountainshop</a>, <a title="Austrialpin Easy Classic at Outdoor-Ranger" href="http://www.outdoor-ranger.co.uk/austrialpin-easy-classic-straight-karabiner-polish-p-10479.html">Outdoor-Ranger</a></li>
<li style="text-align: left;">Black Diamond Positron Screw Gate &#8211; <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screw Gate at REI" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10248&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F710216%2Fblack-diamond-positron-screwgate-carabiner">REI</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screw Gate at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fblack-diamond-positron-screwgate-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screwgate at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-15242-d-1283-v-54638/black-diamond/positron-keylock-screwgate.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screwgate at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/blackdiamondpositronscrewgate-p-1127.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screwgate at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=3906&amp;nimi=Black+Diamond+Positron+Screwgate,+HMS">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Positron Screwgate at Camu" href="http://www.camu.fi/pages/kiipeily/seinakiipeily/sulkurenkaat_lukittavat/positronscrewgate.html">Camu</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screwgate at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fblack-diamond-positron-screwgate-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Screwgate at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3659315">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fblack-diamond-positron-screwgate-biner.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw &#8211; <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at REI" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10248&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F809731%2Fblack-diamond-positron-quickdraw-set">REI</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fblack-diamond-positron-quickdraw">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-19021-d-1281-v-73498/black-diamond/positron-set-_-10-mm.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/blackdiamondpositron12cmquickdraw-p-44416.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=3133&amp;nimi=Black+Diamond+Positron+Quickdraw+12+cm">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Black Diamon Positron Quickdraw at Camu" href="http://www.camu.fi/pages/kiipeily/seinakiipeily/jatkot/positronquickdraw10cm.html">Camu</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Moosejaw" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10086&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moosejaw.com%2Fmoosejaw%2Fshop%2Fproduct_Black-Diamond-Positron-Quickdraw_10119124_10208_10000001_-1_">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fblack-diamond-positron-quickdraw.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D11755808">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>,  <a title="Black Diamond Positron Quickdraw at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fblack-diamond-positron-quickdraw-18-cm-2011-tron.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>DMM Phantom Screwgate &#8211; <a title="DMM Phantom Screwgate at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Screwgates/Phantom-Keylock-Screwgate-DMM-PHANTOMSG">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="DMM Phanton Screwgate at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-26509-d-1283-v-103220/dmm/phantom-screwgate.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="DMM Phantom Screwgate at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fdmm-phantom-screwgate-caribeaner.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>DMM Shield - <a title="DMM Shield at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Shield-DMM-SHIELDKRAB">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="DMM Shield at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3667259">Eastern Mountain Sports</a></li>
<li>E-climb Dissip - <a title="E-climb dissip at E-climb" href="http://www.e-climb.com/cintas_en/dissip_en">E-climb</a></li>
<li>Edelrid Dyneema Dogbone &#8211; <a title="Edelrid Dyneema Express Quickdraw Sling at Shelby" href="http://www.shelby.fi/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41_138&amp;products_id=1751">Shelby</a></li>
<li>Grivel Gamma K2W &#8211; <a title="Black Diamond Express at GearX" href="http://gearx.com/black-diamond-express-ice-screw.html">?</a></li>
<li>Kong HMS Classic -<a title="Kong HMS Classic at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-20456-d-1283-v-77547/kong/hms-classic-screw_lock.html">Barrabes</a></li>
<li>Mammut Bionic HMS &#8211; <a title="Mammut Bionic HMS at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/mammutbionichms-p-4503.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic HMS at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3658604">Eastern Mountain Sports</a></li>
<li>Mammut Bionic Myhtolito - <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fmammut-bionic-mytholito-screwgate-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/mammutbionicmytholito-p-4505.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at Moosejaw" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10086&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moosejaw.com%2Fmoosejaw%2Fshop%2Fproduct_Mammut-Bionic-Mytholito-HMS-Carabiner_10119966_10208__-1_">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fmammut-bionic-mytholito-screwlock-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3658603">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>,  <a title="Mammut Bionic Mytholito at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fmammut-bionic-mytholito-lock-biner.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate &#8211; <a title="Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=18124&amp;nimi=Mammut+Bionic+Wire+Safe+Gate">Varuste.net</a></li>
<li>Petzl Ange S &#8211; <a title="Petzl Ange at REI" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10248&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F822648%2Fpetzl-ange-s-wiregate-carabiner">REI</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fpetzl-ange-s-ultra-lite-wire-gate-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Ange-Karabiner---Small">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange S at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-29510-d-1285-v-114814/petzl/ange-s.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/petzlanges-p-46575.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=36078&amp;nimi=Petzl+Ange+MonoFil,+S">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fpetzl-ange-small-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D11326342">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>,  <a title="Petzl Ange at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fpetzl-ange-s-carabiner.html">GearX</a>, <a title="Petzl Ange S at Shelby" href="http://www.shelby.fi/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41_48_89&amp;products_id=1769">Shelby</a></li>
<li>Petzl Attache 3D &#8211; <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at REI" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10248&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F792817%2Fpetzl-attache-3d-hms-screwgate-carabiner">REI</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fpetzl-attache-3d-screw-lock-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Canyoning/Attache-3D-HMS-Screwgate-PET-ATT3D">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-25686-d-1283-v-99420/petzl/attache-3-d-screw_lock.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/petzlattache3d-p-8412.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=38682&amp;nimi=Petzl+Attache+3D+ScrewLock">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Moosejaw" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10086&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moosejaw.com%2Fmoosejaw%2Fshop%2Fproduct_Petzl-Attache-3D-Carabiner_10085047_10208__-1_">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fpetzl-attache-3d-caribiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3665001">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>, <a title="Petzl Attache 3D at Shelby" href="http://www.shelby.fi/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41_48_88&amp;products_id=1390">Shelby</a></li>
<li>Petzl William &#8211; <a title="Petzl William at REI" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10248&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rei.com%2Fproduct%2F737864%2Fpetzl-william-screwgate-carabiner">REI</a>, <a title="Petzl William at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fpetzl-william-locking-carabiner-ptz0079">Backcountry</a>,<a title="Petzl William at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/work_at_height--rescue-gear/p-24119-d-1751-v-93409/petzl/william-screw_lock.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Petzl William at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/petzlwilliamtriact-p-2094.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Petzl William at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=32447&amp;nimi=Petzl+William+Screw+Lock">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Petzl William at Moosejaw" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10086&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moosejaw.com%2Fmoosejaw%2Fshop%2Fproduct_Petzl-William-Screw-Lock-Carabiner_10026327_10208_10000001_-1_">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Petzl William at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fpetzl-william-lock-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>, <a title="Petzl William at Eastern Mountain Sports" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10785&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ems.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3665027">Eastern Mountain Sports</a>,  <a title="Petzl William at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fpetzl-william-screw-lock.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Wild Country Helium &#8211; <a title="Wild Country Helium at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fwild-country-helium-clean-wire-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Helium-Clean-Wire-Krab-WCO-HEL">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/wildcountryheliumcleanlock-p-1943.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fwild-country-helium-wire-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a>,  <a title="Wild Country Helium at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fwild-country-helium-wire-carabiner-red-anodized.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Wild Country Helium Quickdraw &#8211; <a title="Black Diamond Express at REI" href="http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/761270">REI</a>, <a title="Wild Coumyry Helium at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10060&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.backcountry.com%2Fwild-country-helium-10cm-quickdraw-5-pack-wdc0022">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium Quickdraw at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Quickdraws/Helium-Quickdraw-WCO-HELQD">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium Quickdraw at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/wildcountryhelium10cmqdset-p-1942.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium Quickdraw at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10573&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usoutdoor.com%2Foutlet%2Fwild-country-helium-wire-quickdraw.html">US Outdoor Store</a>,  <a title="Wild Country Helium Quickdraw at GearX" href="http://www.avantlink.com/click.php?tt=cl&amp;mi=10537&amp;pw=38215&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fgearx.com%2Fwild-country-helium-wire-10cm-quickdraw.html">GearX</a></li>
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<p><strong>Few closeup shots of the screws</strong><strong>:<br />
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		<title>Ice climber&#8217;s Christmas gear wish list</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The season has started and the Christmas is closing, but what kind of wish list should be posted to Father Christmas? Here are a few hints. I found most of this stuff from our upcoming www.tribevine.com service, which actually proved to provide quite interesting details, especially on when it comes to alternatives and gear that’s used [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The season has started and the Christmas is closing, but what kind of wish list should be posted to Father Christmas? Here are a few hints. I found most of this stuff from our upcoming <a href="http://www.tribevine.com/">www.tribevine.com</a> service, which actually proved to provide quite interesting details, especially on when it comes to alternatives and gear that’s used by pros. That’s why I’ve provided some links into our system, they’re marked with tribevine T-logo. If, you’re interested in gaining early access invitation to the system just drop me a line. Meanwhile, I hope you’ll find these gear ideas useful + as an extra I’ve added a few places where you can purchase each these products.</p>
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<li>For me it seems that I need a new set of half ropes. I’m currently using <a title="Edelweiss Sharp 8.5" href="http://www.edelweiss-ropes.com/anglais/corde-sharp-D.php">Edeldweiss Sharp 8.5</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4060&amp;name=Edelweiss Sharp 8.5"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-664" title="Edelweiss Sharp 8.5 at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (8.5mm, 48g/m, 5.4kN, 9 falls) and I’ve been pretty happy with their quality. This being said as I’m mostly climbing ice I perhaps don’t need the edge protection and other durability features they have. As a result, I’ve been considering a lighter low impact force ice climbing focused alternatives such as: 1) <a title="Mammut Phoenix 8.0" href="http://www.mammut.ch/en/productDetail/201001340_v_4120_60_8_0/8.0+Phoenix.html;jsessionid=AA501869D461023EBBCA86620B505416">Mammut 8.0 Phoenix</a> <a title="Mammut Phoenix 8.0 at Tribevine.com" href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4057&amp;name=Mammut 8.0 Phoenix"><img title="Mammut Phoenix at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (8.0mm, 41g/m, 6.0kN, 7 falls) – the favorite of <a title="Aljaz's profile in www.tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/index.php?athlete=anderle">Aljaz Anderle</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/userpage?u=68"><img title="Aljaz Anderle at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a>, 2) <a title="Beal Ice Line" href="http://www.beal-planet.com/sport/anglais/corde-iceline.php">Beal Ice Line</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4059&amp;name=Beal Ice Line"><img title="Beal Ice Line at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (8.1mm, 42g/m, 4.9kN, 7 falls) – the favorite of many of my friends and 3) <a title="Monster 7.8MM Dynamic Rope" href="http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/monster_7-8mm_dynamic_rope.html">Metolius Monster Ropes 7.8</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4061&amp;name=Metolius Monster Ropes 7.8"><img title="Metolius Monster Ropes 7.8 at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (7.8mm, 38g/m, 5.7kN, 6 falls) – the lightest of these three.</li>
<li>A second thing I’m really looking forward to is the Petzl Ange S/L carabiners <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4326&amp;name=Petzl Ange"><img title="Petzl Ange Carabiners at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> and the quick draws based on these. <a title="Aljaz's profile in www.tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/index.php?athlete=anderle">Aljaz Anderle</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/userpage?u=68"><img title="Aljaz Anderle at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> tipped us about these few months ago and I’ve been waiting these to arrive ever since. They’re super light (S model 28g, L model 34g) and have a clear clip nose. In short they combine the best of traditional and wire gate carabiners. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s not 100% sure that they could be shipped by Christmas. Meanwhile the closest alternatives are <a title="Wildcountry Helium Carabiner" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/products/karabiners/helium/">Wildcountry Helium</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4327&amp;name=Wildcountry Helium Carabiner"><img title="Wildcountry Helium Carabiner at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (33g) – the lightest full sized clear clip nose carabiner, Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4332&amp;e=true"><img title="Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (34g), <a title="DMM Shield Carabiner" href="http://www.dmmclimbing.com/productsDetails.asp?pid=1&amp;pid2=39">DMM Shield</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4328&amp;name=DMM Shield Carabiner"><img title="DMM Shield Carabiner at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (35g) – fairly light clear clip nose wire gate carabiner and <a title="Camp Nanon 23 carabiner" href="http://www.camp-usa.com/products/carabiners/nano-23-orange-118903.asp">CAMP Nano 23</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4329&amp;name=CAMP USA Nano 23"><img title="CAMP Nano 23 carabiner at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> (23g) – super light, but does not have clear clip nose.</li>
<li>New climbing boots. Well, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the old ones, except they&#8217;re heavy and old. <img src='http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  As I like double boots (easier to dryup if you&#8217;re spending several days in a tent), I would love to have pair of <a title="La Sportiva Pantik" href="http://www.lasportiva.com/catalogue/catalogo.php?cat=6&amp;cod3=296&amp;Language=EN#">La Sportiva Spantiks</a> <a href="http://www.lasportiva.com/catalogue/catalogo.php?cat=6&amp;cod3=296&amp;Language=EN#"><img title="La Sportiva Spantik mountaneering boot at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a>. Their fit seemed to be superb, they&#8217;re fairly light (being a double boot) and they&#8217;re suprisingly acurate.</li>
<li>So far I haven’t used screamers, but many of my friends have recommended them. What I’ve heard though there are a few brands that produce screamers the Yates screamers are the ones to go. There are several different types of those; I am planning to go with <a title="Yates Gear Screamers" href="http://www.yatesgear.com/climbing/screamer/">“Zipper” Screamers</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4330&amp;name=Yates Gear Zipper Screamer"><img title="Yeates Gear Zipper screamer at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> – they offer the greatest reduction in system peak loading.</li>
<li>Though I have a couple of good headlamps and I’ve been happy with them the new <a title="Petzl Tikka XP² Core" href="http://www.petzl.com/en/outdoor/headlamps/compact-tikka-2/tikka-xp-core">Tikka XP² Core</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4331&amp;name=Petzl  Tikka XP² Core"><img title="Petzl Tikka XP² Core at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> headlamp with rechargeable batteries, its user programmable lightning options and over 60 lumens lightning power seems tempting. I guess I’m not going to buy one, at least not quite yet, but if you need a new headlamp this one definitely deserves to take a look at.</li>
<li>I’m planning to add some new stoppers to my gear. <a title="DMM Wallnuts" href="http://www.dmmclimbing.com/productsDetails.asp?pid=5&amp;pid2=11">DMM Wallnuts</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=3938&amp;name=DMM Wallnut"><img title="DMM Wallnuts at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> are reported having superior shape over other alternatives and recommended for instance by <a title="Tapio's profile in www.tribevine.com" href="http://www.tribevine.com/index.php?athlete=alhonsuo">Tapio Alhonsuo</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/userpage?u=55"><img title="Tapio Alhonsuo at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a>, one of the best ice climbers in Finland – that’s a good choice to go if you need passive protection.</li>
<li>It’s sometimes really cold up here. Therefore I’ve considered Ortovox’s <a title="Ortovox Merino 320 Jacket" href="http://www.ortovox.com/merino-320/merino-320-jacket-men-1">Merino 320 jacket</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4073&amp;name=Ortovox Merino 320 Jacket Men"><img title="Ortovox Merino 320 Jacket at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> to replace my traditional fleece garments and add some extra warmth during those cold days. Ortovox also features a range of excellent thick base layer merinos, Merino 240 <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve" href="http://www.ortovox.com/merino-240/merino-240-long-sleeve-men-1">Long Sleeve</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4075&amp;name=Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve Men"><img title="Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> and <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants" href="http://www.ortovox.com/merino-240/merino-240-short-pants-men-1">Short Pants</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4074&amp;name=Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants Men"><img title="Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> that are on my future gear list.</li>
<li>My <a title="Suunto Core" href="http://www.suunto.com/en/Products/Outdoor_Sports_Instruments/Suunto-Core/Suunto-Core-All-Black/">Suunto Core</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4240&amp;name=Suunto Core"><img title="Suunto Core at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a> was lost last year at Kebnekaise (I still can’t figure how and when), therefore there’s a need for a new one. Though Core had a few button problems (I had my unit replaced a few times) I’m still considering Suunto. Their design and user interface are just great. Luckily, Suunto has come out with a new line of premium Sports Watches; the Elementum range. I’m planning to go with Suunto <a title="Suunto Elementum Terra" href="http://www.suunto.com/en/Products/Premium-Sports-Watches/Suunto-Elementum/Suunto-Elementum-Terra/">Elementum Terra</a> <a href="http://beta.tribevine.com/product?p=4249&amp;name=Suunto Elementum Terra"><img title="Suunto Elementum Terra at Tribevine.com" src="http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-content/2010/12/ultrasmall_t-button-logo_13.12.2010.png" alt="" width="16" height="16" /></a>. I just hope that they’ve got rid of the button problems.</li>
<li>Finally, one needs a device to capture the great climbing moments. As my trusty old Canon G1 just broke down that’s probably the first bit of new “gear” I’m investing into. A climber’s camera should be light, be weather resistant and it should take good pictures. Unfortunately light and weather resistant does not seem to go with the same package, at least not when it comes to taking good pictures. Therefore I’m going with light and good pictures alternative, perhaps added with extra water tight casing. The two I’ve been considering are <a title="Canon Powershot S95" href="http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_Camera/PowerShot/PowerShot_S95/">Canon Powershot S95</a> and <a title="Panasonic Lumix LX5" href="http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/lx5/index.html">Panasonic Lumix LX5</a>. Both are good cameras; can take HD video, have extremely good f-values and are light. Interestingly there’s a sister model of Lumix LX5 in Leica’s camera lineup, but I guess the extra a few hundreds do not make sense, as the hardware and optics are the same.</li>
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<p>Then the web-stores that sell these things:</p>
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<li>Edeldweiss Sharp 8.5 &#8211; <a title="Edelweis Sharp at GearX" href="http://gearx.com/edelweiss-sharp-10-5mm-x-60m-dry-rope.html">GearX</a>, <a title="Edelweiss Sharp at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/edelweiss-sharp-85mm-x-70m-rope.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>Mammut 8.0 Phoenix - <a title="Mammut 8.0 Phoenix at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/mammut-phoenix-climbing-rope-8mm">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Mammut 8.0 Phoenix at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Ropes/Half-Ropes/Phoenix-8mm-Superdry-MAM-SDPHO">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Mammut Phoenix at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=3102&amp;nimi=Mammut+Phoenix+8.0mm+Superdry/Coating+60m">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Mammut Phoenix at GearX (short one, only 30m)" href="http://gearx.com/mammut-phoenix-superdry-8mm-30m-rope.html">GearX</a>, <a title="Mammut Phoenix at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/ProductDisplay?partNumber=10085478&amp;searchDisplay=1&amp;langId=-1&amp;storeId=10208&amp;searchTerm=Mammut+Phoenix&amp;catalogId=&amp;cmCat=-10020&amp;searchBean=com.moosejaw.commerce.search.beans.SearchResultViewBean%4062fcce9d">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Mammut Phoenix at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/mammut-phoenix-8mm-dry-60m-climbing-rope.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>Beal Ice Line - <a title="Beal Ice Line at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/beal-ice-line-8.1mm-rope">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Beal Ice Line at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Ropes/Half-Ropes/Iceline-81mm-Dry-BEA-ILED">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Beal Ice Line at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/mountaineering-gear/p-18807-d-1258-v-72943/beal/ice-line-81mm-golden-dry.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Beal Ice Line at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/bealiceline81mmgoldendry2x60m-p-1096.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Beal Ice Line at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/ProductDisplay?partNumber=10031331&amp;searchDisplay=1&amp;langId=-1&amp;storeId=10208&amp;searchTerm=Beal+Ice+Line&amp;catalogId=&amp;cmCat=-10020&amp;searchBean=com.moosejaw.commerce.search.beans.SearchResultViewBean%4020c08ed3">Moosejaw</a></li>
<li>Metolius Monster Ropes 7.8 - <a title="Metolius Monster 7.8 at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Metolius-Monster-7.8-mm-Rope-Dry_10100943_10208__-1_">Moosejaw</a></li>
<li>Petzl Ange S/L &#8211; <a title="Petzl Ange at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=36078&amp;nimi=Petzl+Ange+MonoFil,+S">Varuste.net</a></li>
<li>Wildcountry Helium - <a title="Wildcountry Helium at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/wild-country-helium-clean-wire-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Wild Country Helium at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Helium-Clean-Wire-Krab-WCO-HEL">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Wildcountry Helium at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/wildcountryheliumcleanlock-p-1943.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Wildcountry Helium at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/wild-country-helium-wire-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate &#8211; <a title="Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=18124&amp;nimi=Mammut+Bionic+Wire+Safe+Gate">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Mammut Bionic Wire Safe Gate at Draussen.de" href="http://www.draussen.de/products/mammut_bionic_wire_safe_gate_904.shtml?1__">Draussen.de</a></li>
<li>DMM Shield - <a title="DMM Shield at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Shield-DMM-SHIELDKRAB">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="DMM Shield at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/dmm-shield-carabiner.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>CAMP Nano 23 - <a title="Camp Nano 23 at REI" href="http://www.rei.com/product/798366">REI</a>, <a title="Camp Nanon 23 at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/camp-usa-nano-23-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Camp Nano 23 at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Karabiners/Standard-Karabiners/Nano-23-CAM-NAN23">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Camp Nano 23 at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/campnanowireanodized-p-3671.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Camp Nano 23 at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Camp-USA-Nano-23-Carabiner_10094217_10208__-1_">Moosejaw</a></li>
<li>La Sportiva Spantik &#8211; <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/la-sportiva-spantik-mountaineering-boot-mens">Backcountry</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Footwear/Mountain-Boots/Spantik-SPO-SPAN">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Barrabes" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/mountain--climbing-footwear/p-15303-d-1187-v-54757/sportiva/spantik.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/lasportivaspantik-p-2331.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=29208&amp;nimi=La+Sportiva+Spantik+(unisex)">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/ProductDisplay?partNumber=10025823&amp;searchDisplay=1&amp;langId=-1&amp;storeId=10208&amp;searchTerm=Spantik&amp;catalogId=&amp;cmCat=-10020&amp;searchBean=com.moosejaw.commerce.search.beans.SearchResultViewBean%40a198f69">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="La Sportiva Spantik at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/la-sportiva-spantik-mountaineering-double-boots.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>Yates “Zipper” - <a title="Yates Zipper at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Slings-Extenders/Ripstop-Extenders/Zipper-Screamer-YAT-ZIPSCREAM">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Yates Zipper at GearX" href="http://gearx.com/yates-zipper-screamer.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Tikka XP² Core - <a title="Core Battery set at Varuste.net (you need to purchase the headlamp separately from somewhere)" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=37714&amp;nimi=Petzl+Core+Akku+Li-Poly+++USB+johto+Tikka2-Zipka2+sarjan+lampuille">Varuste.net</a></li>
<li>DMM Wallnuts - <a title="DMM Wallnuts at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/camp-usa-nano-23-carabiner">Backcountry</a>, <a title="DMM Wallnuts at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Rock-Climbing-Equipment/Wires-Nuts/Standard-Wires/Wallnut-on-Wire-DMM-WALNUTA">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="DMM Wallnuts" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/rock-climbing-gear/p-11149-d-1294-v-40060/dmm/wallnuts.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="DMM Wallnuts at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/dmmwallnutssizes1to11-p-51.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="DMM Wallnuts at GearX" href="http://gearx.com/dmm-anodized-wallnut.html">GearX</a></li>
<li>Ortovox Merino 320 jacket - <a title="Ortovox Merino 320 Jacket at Snowsheperd" href="http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/epages/es122028.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es122028/Products/ss08430lsmens320/SubProducts/ss08430lsmens-0018%5B1%5D">Snowshehperd</a>, <a title="Ortovox Merino 320 Jacket at Pure Sports" href="http://www.pure-sports.co.uk/ortovox-merino-320-jacket-mens-08600-red-chili-s.ir?cName=outdoor-ski-and-snowboard-wear">Pure Sports</a></li>
<li>Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve - <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve at Snowshepherd" href="http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/epages/es122028.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es122028/Products/ss08430lsmens240/SubProducts/ss08430lsmens-0001%5B1%5D">Snowshepherd</a>, <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Long Sleeve at Pure Sports" href="http://www.pure-sports.co.uk/ortovox-merino-240-long-sleeve-mens-roundneck-08477-blue-ocean-s.ir?cName=outdoor-ski-and-snowboard-wear">Pure Sports</a></li>
<li>Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants - <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants at Snowshepherd" href="http://shop.snowshepherd.co.uk/epages/es122028.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es122028/Products/ss08436pantsmmen%5B1%5D/SubProducts/ss08430lsmens-0001%5B1%5D">Snowshepherd</a>, <a title="Ortovox Merino 240 Short Pants at Pure Sports" href="http://www.pure-sports.co.uk/ortovox-merino-240-short-pants-mens-08479-blue-ocean-s.ir?cName=outdoor-ski-and-snowboard-wear">Pure Sports</a></li>
<li>Suunto Core - <a title="Suunto Core at REI" href="http://www.rei.com/product/797621">REI</a>, <a title="Suunto Core Collectors Edition Everst at Backcountry.com" href="http://www.backcountry.com/suunto-core-collectors-edition-everest-watch-apa-sherpa-signature">Backcountry</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at Needle Sports" href="http://www.needlesports.com/Catalogue/Accessories/Navigation/Altimeters-Altimeter-Watches/Core-SNT-CORE">Needle Sports</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at Barrabes.com" href="http://www.barrabes.com/shop/trail-running-gear/p-25694-d-1422-v-99467/suunto/core-all-black.html">Barrabes</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at Telemark-Pyrenees" href="http://www.telemark-pyrenees.com/en/suuntocoreallblack-p-30626.html">Telemark-Pyrenees</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at Varuste.net" href="http://www.varuste.net/tuotetiedot2.asp?_prodid=29570&amp;nimi=Suunto+Core+All+Black">Varuste.net</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at Camu" href="http://www.camu.fi/pages/retkeily/rannetietokoneet/coreterasteras.html">Camu</a>, <a title="Suunto Core Extreme Edition Evers at Moosejaw" href="http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/product_Suunto-Core-Extreme-Edition-Everest-Watch_10118263_10208__-1_">Moosejaw</a>, <a title="Suunto Core at US Outdoor Store" href="http://www.usoutdoorstore.com/outlet/suunto-core-collectors.html">US Outdoor Store</a></li>
<li>Suunto Elementum Terra - <a title="Suunto Elementum Terra at Suunto Watches" href="http://www.suuntowatches.com/Suunto-Elementum-Terra.pro">Suunto Watches</a></li>
<li>Canon Powershot S95 - <a title="Canon Powershot S95 at Verkkokokauppa.com" href="http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=37311">Verkkokauppa.com</a>, <a title="Canon Powershot S95 at Pixmania" href="http://www.pixmania.com/fi/fi/6813535/art/canon/powershot-s95.html">Pixmania</a></li>
<li>Panasonic Lumix LX5 - <a title="Panasonic Lumix LX5 at Verkkokauppa.com" href="http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=17137">Verkkokauppa.com</a>, <a title="Panasonic Lumix LX5 at Pixmania" href="http://www.pixmania.com/fi/fi/7049815/art/panasonic/lumix-dmc-lx5-musta.html">Pixmania</a></li>
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		<title>New season closing &#8211; equipment to pad the fever</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>juho</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s still warm here where I&#8217;m living at, trees have their leaves and grass is green. There&#8217;s some signs that new season is closing though (unfortunately too slowly). Personally it&#8217;s the restless feeling in my guts, feeling that winter should already arrive. As a result I start going around web stores, spending hours and hours, every [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still warm here where I&#8217;m living at, trees have their leaves and grass is green. There&#8217;s some signs that new season is closing though (unfortunately too slowly). Personally it&#8217;s the restless feeling in my guts, feeling that winter should already arrive. As a result I start going around web stores, spending hours and hours, every year around these times. I end up padding my ice climbing fewer with all sorts of equipment wish lists and all sorts of pieces of equipment. So I thought that I would share some of the findings while surfing.</p>
<p><strong>Here are few findings for the next season:</strong></p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.needlesports.com/cgi-bin/sh000002.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fneedlesports%2ecom%2facatalog%2f&amp;WD=cascade%20grivel&amp;PN=Mail_Order_Axes_33%2ehtml%23aGRI_20PICK#aGRI_20PICK">Grivel Cascade</a> &#8211; Fresh ice axe replacement blades &#8211; These are B-rated, but should be better for ice climbing than Grivel&#8217;s T-rated stuff, which excel on mixed routes. The link is not to the Grivel site, for some reason, there are plenty of such Grivel products that aren&#8217;t there. The link is to Needlesports, they have a good set of replacement blades.</p>
<p>2. <a title="Grivel Double Spring Leash (2 krab verson)" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/tabella_accessori.asp">Grivel Double Spring Leash (2 krab version)</a> &#8211; It is not really a leash, but flexible runner, which can be attached to the harness to avoid loss of axe.</p>
<p>3. <a title="Arc'teryx Gamma MX soft shell jacket" href="http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?Mens/Ice_Climbing/Gamma-MX-Jacket">Arc&#8217;teryx Gamma MX soft shell jacket </a>- A soft shell jacket, no hood, but ideal for wearing under Goretex or other waterproof shell. There&#8217;s also hooded version available, price is pretty steep though typically well over 300€.</p>
<p>4. <a title="Arc'teryx Gamma MX soft shell pants" href="http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?Mens/Pants-Shorts/Gamma-MX-Pant">Arc&#8217;teryx Gamma MX soft shell pants </a>- The pants part of the above jacket.</p>
<p>5. <a title="Arc'teryx Bucket Liner" href="http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?Mens/Ice_Climbing/Bucket-Liner">Arc&#8217;teryx Bucket Liner</a> &#8211; A hat that&#8217;s compatible with your helmet.</p>
<p>6. <a title="Arc'teryx Gamma SV Glove" href="http://www.arcteryx.com/Product.aspx?Mens/Ice_Climbing/Gamma-SV-Glove">Arc&#8217;teryx Gamma SV Glove </a>- Like many others, I&#8217;ve been looking for perfect ice climbing gloves (have a stock of quite a few already), would these be finally the ones?</p>
<p>7. <a href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/shop/ski/avalung/avalung-ii">Black Diamond Avalung II</a> &#8211; I&#8217;m not absolutely sure if Avalung would be something that I would carry while climbing ice, though there&#8217;s certainly occassionally a danger of avalanche around. Anyways, for some reason I&#8217;ve been tempted to buy one for a long time.</p>
<p>8. <a title="Black Diamond First Shot" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en-us/shop/climb/ice-protection/first-shot">Black Diamond First Shot </a>- An interesting tool for getting the abalakov right for those days when you&#8217;ve done it already twice and it still wasn&#8217;t good enough.</p>
<p>9. <a href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/speedy.asp">Grivel Speedy</a> &#8211; A kind of ice screw quickdraw combination, resulting better safety, reduced weight and faster placement.</p>
<p>10. <a title="Petzl Crevasse Rescue Kit" href="http://www.petzl.com/en/outdoor/self-jamming-pulleys/crevasse-rescue-kit">Petzl Crevasse Rescue Kit</a> &#8211; A compact emergency kit that contains everything needed for hauling / ascending in rescue situation.</p>
<p>11. <a title="Exped Dowmat Pump" href="http://www.exped.com/exped/web/exped_homepage.nsf/b43HomePageE?openframeset">Exped DownMat Pump </a>- Like the award winning down mat, but with integrated pump. I mean, the pumping was the only real problem with these, and now it seems that they have solved it.</p>
<p>12. <a title="MSR Ligtning Accent Snowshoes" href="http://cascadedesigns.com/msr/snowshoes/steep-and-challenging/lightning-ascent/product">MSR Lightning Accent snowshoes</a> &#8211; I&#8217;ve been long drooling over these snow shoes. Unfortunately I&#8217;ve already got MSR Denalis and I haven&#8217;t therefore really been able to justify the purchase.</p>
<p>13. <a title="Valandre Freja sleeping bag" href="http://www.valandre.com/product.php?name=freya">Valandre Freja sleeping bag</a> &#8211; A sleeping bag for cold winter nights, still pretty light. Temperature rating up to -33 in Celsius with weight only about 1,5kg is impressive.</p>
<p>14. <a title="Silvretta Freeride 800 AT skis" href="http://www.silvretta.de/freeride.php?chid=3&amp;m=4&amp;lang=uk&amp;sid=e0ac313e327bace13298f4d636389b3c&amp;prid=42&amp;ac=det">Silvretta Freeride 800 AT skis</a> &#8211; Recently I&#8217;ve been thinking that AT skis might be good alternative for approaches and ascents. This being said though, I guess I would like to have these just because of last season I carried my snowboard around way too much (not while ice climbing ofcourse).</p>
<p>15. <a title="Silvretta Pure Freeride AT bindings" href="http://www.silvretta.de/freeride.php?chid=3&amp;m=4&amp;lang=uk&amp;sid=e0ac313e327bace13298f4d636389b3c&amp;prid=1&amp;ac=det">Silvretta Pure Freeride AT bindings </a>- The perfect companion to Silvretta Freeride 800 AT skis&#8230; though if you would like to use skis with your mountaineering boots, one should propably consider <a title="Silvretta 500's" href="http://www.silvretta.de/products.php?chid=7&amp;m=4&amp;lang=uk&amp;sid=e0ac313e327bace13298f4d636389b3c&amp;prid=13&amp;ac=det">Silvretta 500&#8242;s</a>. They&#8217;ll fit almost on any boot, but for obvious reasons aren&#8217;t that good for ski-ing.</p>
<p>I guess I need to start working harder in order to save enough money for all of this. <img src='http://www.climbingextreme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Starting ice climbing &#8211; to get started and essential gear</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>juho</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you consider starting ice climbing? Do you wonder what kind of gear you should get and how much does it cost? Well, this post is for those of you who do. Though, ice climbing is being placed in to extreme end of extreme sports, in some circles, even more so than rock climbing, it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you consider starting ice climbing? Do you wonder what kind of gear you should get and how much does it cost? Well, this post is for those of you who do.</p>
<p>Though, ice climbing is being placed in to extreme end of extreme sports, in some circles, even more so than rock climbing, it doesn&#8217;t have to be so extreme. It&#8217;s very much like in any other climbing activity. Extremeness depends on how do you do it and what kind of risks you&#8217;re willing to accept. If you use just top rope, use eye protection (large portion of serious ice climbing injuries are eye injuries), be very careful while selecting, approaching and building belay anchors, ice climbing is very safe. This being said, again like any outdoor climbing sport, ice climbing certainly poses a risk of death or serious injury.</p>
<p>So, how to get started then? First of all, you need to get basic knowledge about climbing. In essence this includes belaying and figure-eight-loop-type of knots. Once you know the basics, you should either take ice climbing class or find someone who has some ice climbing experience and can teach you the basics of ice. If you haven&#8217;t been climbing directly with training qualified ice climber, I would recommend taking few classes anyways. It&#8217;s just so much easier and safer after you have. Here in Finland for instance some climbing associations, like mine (<a title="Climbing association of Oulu web site" href="http://www.climbing.fi/oks91">OKS91</a>) arranges very affordable classes (about 50-70€ / head, including equipment). I would imagine that the situation isn&#8217;t so different in other parts of the world.</p>
<p>Another frequent comment about ice climbing is the cost of the ice climbing equipment. It&#8217;s true that equipment is fairly expensive, especially if you&#8217;re buying full, lead climb, capable set alone. Some climbing associations, like mine (<a title="Climbing association of Oulu web site" href="http://www.climbing.fi/oks91">OKS91</a>), rent equipment, which is very easy and cost-effective way to start with. In our case rental price is just about 10-20€/day. From this perspective ice climbing is actually cheaper than for instance say skiing, where lift tickets are fairly expensive.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re getting in to sport deeper, you&#8217;ll probably end up buying set of equipment. Below is my suggestion of what to buy in each phase of your ice climbing career and rough estimate about price of each piece listed. In addition to listed items you need normal winter sports clothing + hiking / backpacking gear. Please note also that this is not necessarily complete list and reflects heavily my preferences. There are plenty of other good products and brands out there as well as plenty of unnecessary stuff. Many climbers also create their own accessories.</p>
<p><strong>Phase 1 &#8211; absolutely needed (i.e. typically not available for rental):</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>50-70m of try treated single rope, for instance <a title="Beal climbing ropes" href="http://www.bealplanet.com/portail-2006/index.php?page=cordes_escalade&amp;lang=us">Beal, Joker 9,1 mm x 60 m, Golden DRY</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 100-150€</li>
<li>2 long slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 120 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 10-15€/each</li>
<li>2 medium slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 60 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 7-12€/each</li>
<li>60cm of 7mm prusik rope &#8211;&gt; 2-5€</li>
<li>1 Backpack, anything will do, if you&#8217;d like to get a really good try for instance <a title="Grivel Alpine 55 + 15 backpack" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_zaini.asp?ID=20">Grivel Alpine 55 + 15 </a>(smaller ones are good as well, but if you&#8217;ll buy larger, it will accommodate ropes and other gear you will need at multi pitch routes later on) &#8211;&gt; 120-150€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 256-359€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 2 &#8211; climbing basics:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>1 harness, <a title="Petzl Corax harness" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=160">Petzl Corax</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 50-70€</li>
<li>1 Helmet with visor, <a title="Petzl Elios Vizion" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=108">Petzl Elios Vizion</a> is a good choice, some times the helmet and visor is being sold separately &#8211;&gt; 70-110€</li>
<li>1 Belay device, <a title="Petzl Reverso3" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=653">Petzl Reverso3</a> is a good multipurpose choice &#8211;&gt; 30-35€</li>
<li>1 large locking carabiner, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl William carabiner" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=581">Petzl Williams</a> (though you should select screw gate instead of ball-lock since ball-locks tend to freeze, I don&#8217;t have experience on their triact version) &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>2 regular or small locking carabiners, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Positron screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/positron_screw.php">Black Diamond Positron screwgates</a>, though if you&#8217;d like light, you should turn in to <a title="Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/NeonScrewgate/">Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-12€/each</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 174-254€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 3 &#8211; ice climbing basics:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Mountaineering boots, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Boreal web site" href="http://www.e-boreal.com/ing/comienzo.htm">Boreal</a> G1&#8242;s, but if you&#8217;re not going on high mountains, you might consider something lighter &#8211;&gt; 270-370€</li>
<li>Crampons, <a title="Grivel - Rambo 4" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_ramponi.asp?ID=15">Girvel Rambo 4</a> is a very good choice, which incorporates double point stability in to benefits of monopoint &#8211;&gt; 120-170€</li>
<li>Crampon pouch, <a title="Grivel crampon accessories" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/tabella_ramponi_news.asp">Grivel crampon bag</a> has served me just fine &#8211;&gt; 10-15€</li>
<li>Ice axes, I would choose now <a title="Grivel Xmonster axes" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_piccozze.asp?ID=21">Grivel Xmonster axes</a>, though beginers might consider also axes with leashes &#8211;&gt; 160-240€/pair</li>
<li>A good headlamp, <a title="Petzl Tikka XP headlamp" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/LampesProduits?Produit=555">Petzl Tikka XP</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 40-60€</li>
<li>Gaiters, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond GTX front point gaiters" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/gtx_frontpoint.php">Black Diamond GTX front point gaiters</a> &#8211;&gt;60-80€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 660-935€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 4 &#8211; practicing lead climbs and anchors:</strong></p>
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<li>5 standard length (19cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>2 short slings, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 120 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 5-7€/each</li>
<li>1 long sling, <a title="Black Diamond Dynex runers" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/dynex_runners.php">Black Diamond Runner, Dynex, 10 mm, 30 cm</a> is a good choice &#8211;&gt; 10-15€/each</li>
<li>5 quick draws, <a title="Wild Country Helium quickdraws and carabiners" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/Helium/">Wild Country Helium</a> quickdraws are most likely the best at the moment &#8211;&gt; 70-100€/set of 5</li>
<li>1 large locking carabiner, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl William carabiner" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=581">Petzl Williams</a> (though you should select screw gate instead of ball-lock since ball-locks tend to freeze, I don&#8217;t have experience on their triact version) &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>2 small or medium sized carabiners, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Positron screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/positron_screw.php">Black Diamond Positron screwgates</a>, though if you&#8217;d like light, you should turn in to <a title="Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate carabiner" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/NeonScrewgate/">Wild Country Neon keylock screwgate</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-12€/each</li>
<li>2 screw clippers, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Petzl Caritool" href="http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportProduits?Produit=489">Petzl Caritools</a> &#8211;&gt; 5-7€/each</li>
<li>1 climbing gloves, <a title="Black Diamond Enforcer gloves" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/enforcer.php">Black Diamond Enforcers</a> should be a good choice &#8211;&gt; 120-180€</li>
<li>1 Fifi hook, use for instance <a title="Black Diamond fifi hook" href="http://www.bdel.com/gear/fifi_hook.php">Black Diamond fifi hook</a> &#8211;&gt; 8-15€</li>
<li>1m of 7mm prusik rope &#8211;&gt; 3-6€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 505€-683€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 5 &#8211; lead climbs:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>3 standard length (19cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>2 short (13cm) ice screws, I&#8217;ve used <a title="Black Diamond Turbo Express screws" href="http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/gear/turbo_express.php">Black Diamond Turbo Express</a> screws &#8211;&gt; 50-60€/each</li>
<li>5 quick draws, <a title="Wild Country Helium quickdraws and carabiners" href="http://www.wildcountry.co.uk/Products/Karabiners/Helium/">Wild Country Helium</a> quickdraws are most likely the best at the moment &#8211;&gt; 70-100€/set of 5</li>
<li>Set of half ropes, preferably in different colours so that you can distinguish left from right, <a title="Beal climbing ropes" href="http://www.bealplanet.com/portail-2006/index.php?page=cordes_escalade&amp;lang=us">Beal Ice Line</a> half ropes are just fine &#8211;&gt; 130-160€/each</li>
<li>1 First aid kit &#8211;&gt; 20-60€</li>
<li>A large down jacket, <a title="Millet Expert down jacket" href="http://www.milletusa.com/catalogue/expert-down-jkt-p-87.html?typo_prod=1:us&amp;temp=1&amp;cPath=1_4_10_14">Millet Expert down jacket</a> is a good choice, select a large size, so that you can wear it on top of everything else while belaying &#8211;&gt; 230-300€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 830-1080€</p>
<p><strong>Phase 6 &#8211; multi-pitch routes:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Few pitons &#8211;&gt; 5-15€/each</li>
<li>Few nuts / hexes &#8211;&gt; 8-15€/each</li>
<li>Set of walky-talkies &#8211;&gt; 50-150€</li>
<li>Small climbing backpack, <a title="Grivel Manu backpack" href="http://www.grivel.com/Products/Dettaglio_zaini.asp?ID=9">Grivel Manu</a> is my favourite &#8211;&gt; 40-60€</li>
<li>10m of 7mm prusik rope, cut and tied in to long prusik loops &#8211;&gt; 7-15€</li>
</ul>
<p>Total: 162-375€</p>
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